give us what we want or we will tank the united states economy. that is reckless and irresponsible and we will not do it. >> guest: that is not addressing the problem. >> john: the president said if it is tide to the debt ceiling it is not a discussion to center. speaker boehner said it is it a discussion and we talk about raising the debt ceil we want a equal or greater off set in taxes and other cuts. is equal or greater off set in spending and other cuts. mitch mcconnell said this is it a argument you will have. >> now he has the tax rates he wants, his calls for balance means he needs to join us in the effort to achieve meaningful spending reform. the president may not want to have the debate, but it is one that he's going to have because the country needs it. >> john: does the country need that debate two years ago we had 14 trillion debt ceil now 16 tho to 18 trillion and that takes us to twint14 and then we will be at 20 trillion . people are rightly asking, when does this stop? >> guest: when does the madness stop? we need to solve the pro